Showing posts with label Acorns. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Acorns. Show all posts

Tuesday, 12 September 2017

Acorns - 12 month wrap up

Acorns are offering double sign up bonuses for September, which has drawn eyes there way and lead to them being crucified in the media with sensationalist headlines. But after a almost a year I feel like I've got the right to say, they ain't that bad. In fact, the returns are decent, the apps easy to use and the mindless investing structure is a great starting point that everyone should get behind.

If you need convincing, here's an almost 12 month wrap up.

I opened my Acorns account in October last year while sitting at my desk. I found I had developed this habit of going out for overpriced lattes simply to get away from my desk and chat with my coworkers. Once I had my account up and running I started depositing $5 each time I was invited out for coffee. The same amount of money way leaving my pocket, but I was much happier with the outcome. I'd rather buy time away from my desk permanently than a few manufactured minutes.

(BTW, this review will make a bit more sense if you've read about Acorns before, you can head over to my earlier review for a bit of background.)

However, a couple of weeks later I realised that I had an account balance of $25, and I'd just paid my first monthly fee of $1.25. For some super quick maths, that's an annual fee of $15, or a ridiculous 60% of my account balance.

Here is where everyone gets mad at Acorns. If you are only putting round ups in your account, then the fee structure is going to kill you. With round ups alone after a year my account would barely be hitting $200, because I'm not a big spender.

Round Ups are Acorns prime draw card. They track your spending and 'round up' each transaction. Spend $1.10, Acorns will take 90c. Except they don't, they wait for you to hit $5 worth of Round Ups, then take $5 each time. It's not exactly what they advertise, but it's still sneaky background investing that (most) people won't notice.

Except as I said, the fees on a small account are appalling and this is what most people are complaining about.

However to bring your fees down to a reasonable amount, you only need $400-$500 in the Acorns bank. While I was sitting in the passenger seat of a camper van in Tasmania I plumped my account up with a few easy button presses and dropped my annual fees down to 3.75%. The Acorns app is so easy to work with I did this even while my internet connection was dropping in and out.

Now let's be honest, that's still not a great annual fee. My Vanguard account pays a measly 0.75% per annum. However to open a Vanguard account, I would need to find $5,000 and a lot of people just starting out don't have that kind of money lying around.

When I started looking at investing I had $1,000. I definitely didn't have the confidence to drop $5,000 on Vanguard. That is the market niche that Acorns fills. Yes, the fees are higher than Vanguard, but the return (even after the fees) is going to be better than a bank account.

Remember that historically the share market returns 7% per annum after inflation. Ignoring inflation, the returns are closer to 10%. Even after paying 3.75% in fees, Acorns will return more than a bank account, but importantly it is hugely educational.

In my last monthly update I noted that I was losing more money each day than the cost of a cup of coffee, because the market was falling. A couple of years ago this would have been terrifying and a sign of a losing investment. I know now that it's simply the ebb and flow of valuations. One day I'll be down $10, the next day I'll be up $15.

And for people who haven't read this and are still paying the huge fees - well their big lesson will be how excessive fees destroy your investments.

For people starting out with investing, Acorns provides a solid return and a great education at a rather low risk.

Acorns performance

In the past I've reported returns of over 10% on my Acorns account, even after fees. However the times, they have a-changed and the last couple of months have not been kind. However this isn't just a straight sales pitch, this is a realistic outline. In the first six months I was up 10%. Now I'm only up 2.32%. If I wrote this review a month ago it would have been better. I'm reasonably confident in a month or two the numbers will move back upwards.

   
You can see on these charts when I dropped in $400 to plump up my account, and when I switched from adding $5 a week, to $75 a week in July.

In fact, the markets are changing so much that since I took these screen shots two days ago my returns since opening have bounced back up to 3.14%/ The longer that my account is around, the less bouncy these returns will be.

So if you're new to investing, I absolutely think you should sign up for Acorns. With this referral link you'll get a $5 bonus, which covers your first four months of fees. Build your account up to $500 as quickly as you can, then set a regular weekly investment that you can handle. If you start out with $5 you'll invest $260 in a year without even noticing. If you can push that up to $20 a week, you'll have $1,000 at the end of a year, without even noticing.

While you're learning to invest you can open the app each day and watch the charts bounce up and down. It's a great lesson for investing for the long haul and not worrying about day to day swings.


Sunday, 5 March 2017

Acorns: Small change investments

Whenever my friends mention on Facebook that they have a bit of savings and they're wondering what to do with it, I'm always the first to pipe up with an opinion. The problem is that most services require a hefty amount to get started (Looking at you Vanguard and your $5,000 minimum buy in) or you need to leave you money there for a long time for a decent return (RateSetter) or the fees are just so appalling you lose half your investment paying someone to manage your tiny nest egg.

Enter Acorns, an absolutely fabulous little platform for getting started.


When I was twenty I took my first foray into the stock market. I bought 20 bonds in a medical supplies company. I figured people were always going to be getting sick, and according to their website, their main target market was GP's, chemists, physios and other first-call health care providers. The bonds paid 8% per annum with quarterly distributions, at a time where my bank account was paying only 5%. I paid $97 each for them, and sold them three years later for $100.

At the time I was making roughly $15 an hour and studying full time. It took me close to six months to save my first $2,000 to get into the stock market. After that I had a big elaborate spreadsheet put together that told me how far away I was from buying another set of bonds (I moved up to spending $5,000 each time), how many hours at work I would need to pick up to be able to earn this much money, and I started cutting everything I could out of my budget. At that time, living at home not paying rent, cutting down meant snacks and energy drinks. Back when interest rates were nice and high (I had no debts, high rates were great for me) I was quickly earning $1,000 a year of free money.

But it was hard. Waiting six months between each purchase was demoralising, and I was constantly lamenting the missed earning times. The price of bonds fluctuates, leading up to a dividend payment the price spikes, then after the payment is crashes down before slowly climbing back up. Each time the price would drop on my chosen 'next buy' and I didn't have the money I would grit my teeth and grumble at myself and cut harder into my budget. As much as I loved the investing and the free money that came out of it, I absolutely hated how big the buy in was. As a twenty-year-old full-time student, putting aside $5,000 was a huge endeavor.

In 2012 someone else who must have had the same gripes with investing and a wonderful grasp of application development and business wandered onto the finance scene with Acorns. In February 2016 they kicked off in Australia. Acorns embraces the concept of building great things from humble beginnings, and lets you start investing for a mere $5.

Basic concept

You can link up Acorns to all your transaction accounts (credit cards, debit cards, etc) and it will monitor your transactions, rounding up each purchase and investing the difference. So if you spend $4.50 on a latte, another $3.75 on lunch and $2.25 on a KitKat, you will have $1.50 invested. It all happens quietly in the background without you lifting a finger.

That money is then invested into a balance portfolio including Australian and international shares, as well as government and corporate bonds. The whole thing comes bundled in a friendly phone app that lets you deposit or withdraw money with a few quick taps.

Pros: Easy to start, easy to use, low risk, quick access to withdrawals/deposits

Getting started with Acorns is appallingly easy. Download the app, tap in your bank details (they use super fancy bank level encryption to keep all your data safe) and deposit some money. The whole thing can be set up by the least tech savvy people in under ten minutes. There are no transaction fees so you can deposit bonus amounts anytime you want and the money will be invested within 3 business days.

Withdrawals are just a simple, in just two taps you can reach the withdrawal menu. Simply type in the amount you want an hit withdraw. There are no limits so if you want you can pull all your money out in one go.

Something I find super appealing it the ability to set your own risk profile. Higher risk always equals higher rewards in the share market game, but equally it exposes you to the potential for greater losses. Acorns will ask a few questions about you, where you are financially and how you feel about the potential for your investment to tank and recommend a risk profile for you. This is open for you to change at any time, and once again the interface is so simple you can do it in just a few clicks.

Cons: The fees, deposit structure, possible bank fees

Let's start with the fees:
$1.25 a month on accounts under $5k
0.275% on accounts over $5k

Acorns makes a big fuss about letting you start investing for as little as $5, but then they slug you fees of $1.25 a month. If you were to start with that small $5 investment and not add any more, you would be paying 25% a month. Equal to 300% per annum!! My account right now is showing approximately 7% p/a return and I bought in right before the Trump rally (absolute fluke that has set my investments off to a great start). My bank account is offering a 3% return, which means if I'm paying more than 4% in fees then I'm better off leaving the money in my bank account. This means that your minimum 'buy-in' for Acorns to be a viable investment is just over $300. While it's still significantly less than most other products, it's a lot more than they put on the flyer.

Next, my other pet peeve is the deposit structure. The claim is that you spend $3.50, Acorns rounds that amount up and take 50c for themselves. Which sounds to me like I'll have a $3.50 and a 50c charge on my card at the same time. That would be the ideal mindless investing. But that's not actually what happens. Acorns tracks your spend, and when the rounded up amounts equal $5, then they take $5 in one hit. If you're like me and keep an eye on your account balances, it ruins the illusion.

The bigger risk with the deposit structure is if you don't keep an eye on your balance. If you're someone who regularly drains your account just before pay day you could be in a lot of trouble. Acorns doesn't know how much you have in your account, so when the time comes, they will attempt to withdraw a contribution. If you don't have $5 in your account, then your bank is going to slug you a dishonor fee.

Conclusion

After reading the cons you might be a bit put off, but this is a great tool as long as you can throw in $300-400 in seed money, and you keep a decent amount of cash in your funding account. Anything above $10 will be enough to avoid those dishonour fees. I have my account set up with a regular deposit of $5 a week, which also adds in my round-ups. In a month I squirrel away roughly $30 without noticing. If you're just starting out investing it's a fantastic way to dip your toe in the water with a small buy-in and easy withdrawals.

Get started today with this referral link and Acorns will drop $2.50 in your account (and mine) as a welcome bonus. 


**Disclaimer: All the links to Acorns in this post are referral links. If you sign up through them we both get $2.50 added to our accounts. They aren't paying me for this post, this is a deal that Acorns runs for all it's customers. If you open an account, you to will have a referral link to share with your friends. Offer ends 30th March, 2018.

Acorns: Small change investments

Whenever my friends mention on Facebook that they have a bit of savings and they're wondering what to do with it, I'm always the first to pipe up with an opinion. The problem is that most services require a hefty amount to get started (Looking at you Vanguard and your $5,000 minimum buy in) or you need to leave you money there for a long time for a decent return (RateSetter) or the fees are just so appalling you lose half your investment paying someone to manage your tiny nest egg.

Enter Acorns, an absolutely fabulous little platform for getting started.

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